Meghan talks to Serena Williams about ambition on the Archetypes podcast

(CNN) — Meghan, Duchess of Sussexsaid she didn’t realize ambition could be considered a “terrible” quality in a woman until she started dating her husband, Prince Harry.

Meghan launched her new podcast, ‘Archetypes’, which ‘dives into the labels that try to hold women back’, with an episode on ‘The misconceptions of ambition with Serena Williams“.

After beginning with a recollection of his experience at press successfully at Procter & Gamble to change a sexist ad for dish soap when he was 11, he later told Williams about “that filthy, filthy word when it comes to women: ambition.”

“I don’t remember personally feeling the negative connotation behind the word ‘ambitious’ until I started dating my husband. And apparently ambition is a terrible, terrible thing for a woman, some say” , said the duchess. . , who is executive producer of the podcast, which is a co-production between Archewell Audio, Gimlet and Sussex’s Spotify.

“So as I felt the negativity behind it, it’s very hard to stop feeling it. I also can’t help but see it in the millions of girls and women who are getting much smaller on a regular basis. “, she added.

Meghan started dating Prince Harry in 2016. They met at a blind date arranged by a mutual friend in July that year, and in November Harry issued a statement calling for an end to the often sexist and racist abuse and harassment of his girlfriend.

On her podcast, Meghan spoke of the “pain” of being looked down upon, adding that if a man is ambitious he is “very celebrated”, but, in a classroom, “if a girl is ambitious or lifts her head more main, is she? what’s her name? bossy”.

Williams, who Meghan said ’embodies the spirit of ambition’, agreed, saying ‘I hope we can teach our girls to keep putting their hands up and not being afraid’.

Earlier this month, the tennis star a d that he would “move away from tennis” after this year’s US Open to focus on “other things that are important to me”.

The 23-time Grand Slam champion said on the podcast: “My whole life has been one thing and now I can focus on Serena Ventures which I am passionate about.”

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She also said she wanted to ‘expand’ her family: “I’ve been lucky enough to play tennis very well, but I think the best thing is to be a mother. I think I can be very good at that.”

The tennis legend went on to explain how “difficult” it was to make the decision and the announcement, revealing: “I was in Switzerland and I was sitting in the hotel at the office, just having fun. writing and erasing and writing and thinking and then crying and sitting in front of my computer and tears running down my face as I type these words and come back to these memories.

“Sometimes ambition in women also seems to suggest that you’re fearless,” Meghan said. “But as you’ve heard Serena say, of course the fears are still there. I lived through them with her. The fear of making this recent decision.”

“So even though Serena will soon close her professional tennis chapter, she is not closing the door on her ambition. She will continue to do great things. To be the greatest of all time off the court. To be ambitious and I think it’s a beautiful thing,” the Duchess added.

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